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Like, I do overwhelmingly think that in fandom the way to attract people to your ships and characters is honey, not vinegar. I generally dislike leading conversations by pointing out that people are generally biased towards characters like Saga because of the double whammy of being the only black woman in a cast of mostly white men, and I think any kind of mud-slinging about not being into het or "fandom thinks het is icky!" is entirely unnecessary and distracts from the point about how people really do have an empathy gap towards black characters.

...however. For the purposes of having a rich, diverse fandom, sometimes throwing my lot in with someone who thinks differently than I do on both of those points is acceptable to me. Because as much as I disagree with "the problem is that people think het is icky and would rather Objectify Those Gays" and think it's actively poor analysis, the core problem of "people will ignore the compelling dynamic black lady leads have with their white supporting cast" is very important to point out and address.

I'm not gonna linger on a single bad phrasing, or a single mischaracterisation of the source of a problem if I can go "Yeah that's a problem -- and I'm gonna do my part to solve it, now when it's been brought to my attention". Sometimes, the honey is agreeing with some poorly worded points because you think the core message is worth addressing. The way to get people to be more considered with the way they talk is to take seriously what they're trying to communicate. It's much easier to communicate someone's mistakes to them if they take you seriously in the first place.

I can recognise the pain of rejection. Snide nitpicking of the way they express that pain isn't going to make anyone believe I'm taking it seriously.

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I wanted to crosspost my additions from here to DW, since I realised that I hadn't actually done that before. It's a little unstructured, but hopefully easy enough to follow knowing that the context is some generic drama around a creator complaining about NSFW fanworks, and some fans deciding to act as their unpaid enforcers, causing a minor storm in a tea kettle a few months back.

First addition:

The easiest way to wrap your head around this is to consider that "fandom" is a discrete subculture that a subset of the entire fan base of a work.
Fandom is not a creator fanclub or a creator support network or a creator advertisement platform. Creators interacting with the fandom directly is a very new development brought about by the general erosion of communal boundaries. (This part also includes fans taking the fruits of fandom to the creator's table. Stop tweeting fanart at creators, they can find it themselves if they really want to.)
Literally the only thing that stops a creator from being a problem for the fandom is the maturity and understanding of the subculture. For every creator that is delighted by their fandom, there is always going to be one who hates you on principle for not reading their work exactly as they *wanted* you to read it, not interacting with it in the way *they* intended, whether it's as banal as liking the wrong characters or as complicated as writing the wrong kind of fanfic, and whether or not this becomes a fight depends *entirely* on whether they see it as their right to tell us about it and start that fight.
The more involved in fandom that creators get, the more pressure there is to bring fandom in line with the intended or the *desired* fan base. There more there is pressure to bring it in line with what is profitable, with what is *marketable.* Creators interacting with fandom have a direct profit incentive to do so, whether they're aware of it or not. (You'll note that this part is also relevant to what kind of fanworks creators *encourage.*)
Fandom is not for creators. Fandom has never been for creators. The relationship between creators and fandom is not hierarchical, and it's not mutual. Carve these words in your heart.

Second addition:

Also like furthermore there's *soooo* little for fandom to actually gain from any sort of "approval" for what we do here from creators. You can feel however you want about death of the author as a concept, but ultimately as far as being *the audience*, the creator and the fandom are on even ground, and the creator's opinions on what fandom does is no more authoritative than any other person.
So creators who *insist* on authority over fandom and the creations of fandom is simply treating fandom as an extension of the things they have legal control over, and unless there's a literal contract in my hands, I'm not about to become someone's unpaid employee like that.
(And it's worth stating explicitly that creators *encouraging* certain kinds of fanworks is, again, part of the management of their brand -- whenever fandom conforms to what the creators want, they are being inducted to act as a part of that brand, *in a way that is still controlled by the creator.* It's glorified advertisement.)
So, like, ask yourselves -- what would "creator approval" even *accomplish?* What outside of personal gratification would we get out of it? And when both the potential damage to the community spirit *and* the potential legal consequences of bringing the fruits of fandoms to creators are so great, is feeling good for yourself *really* worth it? Or wouldn't it be better if we simply focused that energy to connecting with other fans, our peers, the people you're *actually* in community with, rather than trying to elevate yourself by association?
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One of the wildest, stupidest things I see floating around in the modern moral panic over novels is this idea that people are allowed to write about "bad and triggering" topics if they do it well, and that a well-written story about heavy topics would be by default less likely to trigger someone.

When oh boy there's a substantial amount of things I thought I was just squicked or put off by that have turned out to be outright triggers once I read them in a story that was well-written. There's this one writer in my fandom who is a fucking genius and traffics in many of the characters I like, and I've never seen someone who was so good at executing on things in a way that consistently makes me contemplate my mortality, entirely because they're a godtier talent at getting horny about the topic. They're the one writer where I religiously read the content warnings and I still regularly discover new unpleasant things about myself!

(Also to fend off any nbh's abt this: hi Nev! :D you can imagine this is the kind of thing that is hard to put in a comment without sounding backhanded. Rest assured it's a "'worth it' said the vampire about garlic bread" kind of deal, and I will gratefully continue existing in your audience)

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Thursday, 12 January 2023 18:34
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I've been listening to Viced Rhino and Paulogia on Youtube lately as housework noise -- not because I particularly care about Christian apologetics, they're just nice men with nice voices -- and I think the most damning thing about YEC is that it can't even figure out some obvious most basic world-building solutions to the persistent problems people keep pointing out in their maths to do some extra maths with to develop new arguments that would be equally wrong.

Look me in the eye and tell me that the biomass problem and the heat problem couldn't be easily countered by arguing that the pre-Flood earth was much bigger, and the planet shrank and ejected the excess material to form the Oort cloud.

Like, only the fact that I'm lazy and I don't think YECs are so stupid as to fall for an obvious honeypot is stopping me from trying to pitch this at some YEC community and see if we can give these poor hard-working science-talkers some new science to talk about. Let's get into the real wacky thermodynamic maths.

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*GNAWS AT TABLE* so I try not to make these rambles too powered by salt but considering Impactor is very near my favourite character in the franchise and as a result I read a lot of badfic featuring him out of sheer desperation for something, I'm seriously devastated by the way I've never seen it explored just what a harrowing and accurate description of moral injury and reflexive self-loathing he is.

Like, it's wild to me that we have it in the text, actually on page, that Impactor outright thinks he's a monster. We see it on page! It is written with plain words! He's stuck thinking like "can't survive if the other guy doesn't die", "your life is bought with the blood you spill, and you want to keep living so you best learn to like killing" to the point where he doesn't even want to live anymore and yet he can't stop, he's stuck, there's no safety for him to retreat back to because nobody taught him to value himself in any other way except in balance against someone else.

Like we know. Exactly what Impactor considers horrible, what he considers ugly and unseemly and corrupt. And it's all stuff that makes sense. It's all stuff the most of us probably find a little bit horrifying. We know that his perception of the world is so utterly bleak that there is no way but down, the only trajectory he sees for himself is to slip further and further from that surface because this is just his life now, this is what he is now, this may be what he always was, so isolated in his self-loathing that he can barely see the surface of where the horrible things end, and sure as hell doesn't think he can reach it. He's been cut off from his access to the sublime, to the fortifying, to the beautiful and wonderful and safe, this is all he has left, this is just what he is now.

I think the massive overriding misreading is assuming Impactor has any regard for himself. He may have the ability to act confident and move through the world with intellectual assurance over his own skill, and it's easy to take that as a sign that he has some kind of a core, undivided wholeness of personhood that lets him keep acting like he knows what he's doing. But I don't think that's it at all. His sense of self has been so completely fractured and damaged by the horrors he's committed and been isolated with that they've attached themselves to the space where his sense of self would otherwise be. Again, I'm not even extrapolating -- this just is the text of "Escape".

And then there's the negative influence of Guzzle, another person who thinks the way to deal with your trauma is by committing massive violence on it who has no idea this should maybe be something to discuss with people -- like, we see the way his abandon and reveling in having power and returning the violence drags Impactor down, too, because it's familiar, it makes sense, and then Impactor locks him in a box and goes "I can't fucking do this anymore". It's literally the most unsubtle death wish, it's a textbook flight arrest response, he doesn't want to keep doing the thing he's doing but he doesn't know what else there is, he sees no way out other than down.

And IDK I don't want to cast blame, honestly as a recovering abusive asshole myself, the terrible things he does to other people out of a sense of "this is how it has to be, don't be naive, don't be stupid", the loop of self-justification and grasping for value in his identity as an anonymous source of violence and ruiner of lives is a big part of why I love him so much, and his victims are really visible in the text, their mess deserves exploration and their pain deserves narrative validation, if only for completeness' sake

but like goddamn I just feel for this trash mech so much. He was left locked up with only his own bad thoughts for company, forced in a situation where becoming a worse person was the only way to escape further pain to the point where he's just completely cut off from his access to the sublime, to the fortifying, to the beautiful and wonderful and safe. Like where is there to go when the only things you know what to do are all fucked up? What do you do when all you've been "taught" is that living means killing, but you're getting extremely sick of the killing, when you're tired of your whole life being stained in blood and gore and the traces of the grotesquerie that is living with the knowledge that having power over other people is the ultimate act of survival when you never wanted that?

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I can't look away from the bad art friend saga.

Initially I thought it must just be the sympathetic cringe -- I have been in Dorland's shoes so often, I am kind of notorious for messy parasocial relationships with people who truly have nothing against me but also absolutely nothing to say to me, and the visceral mockery appealed to the part of me that recognizes that while I didn't deserve to be bullied as a kid, I did bring it on myself for having a truly epic amounts of cringe weirdo energy. It's cathartic in a painful way to see that I probably won't ever be able to convince the people who find my bluntness and earnestness off putting to feel differently about me -- that no matter how obvious the pain I am in is to outsiders it'll never be enough. The more I hear about how Dorland is a spectacle out of her free will rather than obliviously, the more cathartic it feels. It's almost like an out-of-body experience.

But on the one, far more self-congratulatory hand, I'm also currently wrapping up a parasocial conflict of my one -- one where I've done the bare minimum arguing for myself from my perspective and one where I actively felt hounded and harassed over someone taking personally something and never clarifying what, how, and where they had gotten the idea that I would be interested in triggering a personal conflict with them. Seeing all that's coming out in the private chats makes me understand, far more immediately than I have before, that paranoia over people talking behind your back isn't just me being a mess, it's making me confront how I never quite believed it when people told me that was what someone did, no matter how many things it explained.

And yet more, I recognize that I don't actually care about this. Even my sympathetic cringe towards Dorland is not because I'm invested in her as a person as much as I'm interested in the developing narrative about how easy it is to victimize the socially unacceptable ie. the source of the recognition and subsequent out-of-body experience. All of these people are writers and yet there's such a blindness to narrative all around. The one person who seems to be selective in their wording and conduct is the one painted as utterly unselfaware and the ones most furious in their rhetoric don't seem to realize that by their nature as writers that reveals as much about their attitudes as their actions.

This is such a horror show and I wouldn't wish this on anyone. This should not be public, this should not be a spectacle. I can't believe that the dismissal of this as "everyone sucks here" misses the point so hard.

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Fun fact I recently extended an invitation to someone who's like lowkey fandom famous and whose work I deeply enjoy to come hang out in my Robot Server(tm), someone I have no personal relationship with, and having been emboldened by that, I kinda wanna reach out to other people in the fandom I'm aware of! Who I think are cool!

But it's become so normal for antis in the TF fandom to have gone underground and purged all mention of having participated in violent harassment campaigns in the past three years that I don't feel comfortable inviting someone off just the vibe I have of them, and I can't seem to get the server to take off word-of-mouth since almost nobody in the fandom is up for forming new social bonds either.

IDK. I feel more bold about wanting to reach people who have kind of lost the joy of the thing and come hang out with us! Because yeah, been there! That's why I started it! And I really resent being afraid of my fellow fan and not wanting to put the people who have been harassed into danger in case my own social radar turns out to be complete shit.

EDIT: I suddenly started wondering if the lack of spread by word of mouth also has to do with not just me being like this with strangers, but also people who are on this server being like this with their strangers? Like are we all just in an ouroboros of not trusting one another b/c it's so much safer to NOT have a stance on this, and those who have hard stances have often been harassed enough to be suspicious of a stranger being like "hey you're cool and I heard you'd gotten shit for stuff, would you like to come on our Anti Giving Shit To People For Stuff That Doesn't Matter" server?

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Sunday, 11 July 2021 11:46
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I read this article, Four Days Trapped at Sea With Crypto’s Nouveau Riche by Laurie Penny, and it's made me feel weirdly better about how my life's problems consist of figuring out how to get to work next week, seeing as I still don't have a car or a driver's licence and the buses are sparse.

I don't know if I could handle the compulsion to Have Fun as a way to be "on". I like my job, I enjoy the things I do for a living, but Look Like You Enjoy Yourself as a mandate of a job sounds awful.

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Every story is a biography.

Every manifesto is a confessional.

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Hey so the thing about how being in fanpol circles where you absorb a very dogmatic set of beliefs that, if someone disagrees with you, they're either someone who's too stupid to know better or someone who is wilfully against you, really does seem a lot like social justice internet circa 2012 doesn't it?

Like this explains why I sometimes run into people responding to posts on pro-shipper accounts who clearly aren't there just to say slurs and tell people to kill themselves, but have that edge of "You're wrong and it's my duty to save you from your wrongness" that sounds a lot like how people described me when I was deep in radfem indoctrination hell.

And both groups also prey on the vulnerable and cause them to become more alienated from people who they could have healthy relationships with, with some of them ending up perpetually angry loners who glean a sense of community from distant parasocial figures but can't actually get along with anyone on an one-to-one basis.

No wonder the moment I was medicated and emotionally better off, I just couldn't hold onto the idea that queers on the internet writing about anime boys having buttsex is a legitimate problem to address.

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Ended up down a rabit hole of trying to see if a callout post I saw had any merit and it ended up with me reading a bunch of extremely informative articles about Karelian rights and how "suomalaistaminen" was also enacted against them as a way to pave over the fact that we just decided to Do Some Colonialism in Karelia, same as in Lapland.

Like, I never felt much of a connection to a Finnish identity, y'know? Growing up with most of my positive relationships being in English (with my mom's encouragement) and generally just being really ill-suited to society until I was about twenty honestly did more to hasten my general alienation from society than work ever did, and has so far, and a lot of the bonding with strangers I've done has been with other people alienated from Finnish society, which turns out to be a lot of immigrants and minorities. Honestly, to this day I had a harder time settling in with my work b/c of the anti-Romani and anti-Somali racism.

But that doesn't really change the fact that my disconnect to my culture as a white Finn is just not the same. Finnish nationalism being a comforting blanket that I could wrap myself in, a sense of Finnish cultural heritage in the absence of meaningful community, is honestly just as much of a fabrication as other nationalist identities, and is just as virulent about self-maintaining as other nationalist identities. I still find the "sob-story" (I'm allowed to say that, just like I'm allowed to say I bullied people into accommodating me) about reclaiming Finnish identity in the face of Russification, after pushing for Finnish language and culture to be treated at least as equal to Swedish language that had been imported here over the puddle relatable in the way you do when you've been excluded and your contributions devalued and you just wanna see yourself accepted as you are.

But, yeah, I guess this just means that Finnish nationalism is an edifice I'm just gonna have to let go of if I want to address the mental dissonance. I've been drifting away from it anyway, but mostly out of distaste of how "Finnishness" just gets weaponised over and over against Finns that aren't sufficiently white, and how non-Finns get treated in this country despite the fact that out society purports to hold egalitarian values in high regard. I've never known how to address the losing sense of someone trying to pit me against someone.

I guess I just had to be disillusioned properly, like, I've always thought a lot of anarcho-syndicalists and anti-statists have good and practical ideas, I've just been at a loss on how you could ever coordinate anything without creating an elective identity to create a sense of working together, just for the sake of coordination. And frankly, I don't think I can do things out of a global sense of interconnectivity, because in the global sense everything is predicated on someone's arm getting twisted. I am actively educating myself to go work a job that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the pillaging of Africa and the continued need for conflict minerals. But a national identity isn't going to give me the sense of "belonging" and "being useful" that I want -- it's only gonna be used to pit me against someone else saying "I don't want that".

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Is pointing out when a fandom post that could be read very differently with the knowledge that it was made by someone with "pedo/abuse/incest supporter DNI" in their about getting reblogged as a "lol, relatable" post by people who definitely aren't fanpol worth it?

Is, like... taking joy from people in fandom away from them worth it when the source of that joy is someone who I feel like should be deplatformed?

Am I going crazy for being able to spot when a Funny Relatable fandom post was definitely made by someone who thinks the people reblogging it range from "horrible person" to "actual abuser"?

Am I overthinking this???

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So Eric Sophia (from Curio) had a cameo on Maggie Mae Fish' new video on Zack Snyder's treatment of gender in his films and mostly I agreed that it's sort of fascinating how Snyder keeps coming back to a gender trinary where the third leg is this... aberrant, queer, indistinct mass, and what could be read into that.

But like, oh wow they actually used Owls of Ga'Hoole to talk about Zack Snyder "doing a hecking gender" and... honest to god this movie has always had one of my favourite approaches to female character design? There's a lot of indicental female speaking roles, Gylfie is great, the female owl's designs are subtle and pleasing and they are not animated any different... The criticism about the two main girl owls both being smaller than any of the main male owls is, I guess, a fair criticism, but I don't see how they have any less narrative agency than anyone who isn't Soren, so I can't relate to that point either....

It's just very strange to me, because as far as Gender Binaries In Kids' Films Goes, Owls of Ga'Hoole is one of my favourite ways of doing it, and it being used as a negative kinda just gave me whiplash. Like, is the point that when it comes to owls, females tend to be bigger than males, and therefore the lack of ground-breaking as far as male speaking roles is uniquely interesting because it fits a pattern with Zack Snyder?

(Like okay there's also the whole video Curio had about how thinking there's a guy named Dick Suckle who ruined the DC movies is hooey but. Having someone explicitly use the thing you use as a positive example as a negative one is still a trip.)

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From a using-language-for-communication perspective, I've always hated memes.

I'm not being hyperbolic; my first exposure to what is now a proper "meme culture" (blech) was just as another form of referential speech, used to build community between those in the know and those -- like me -- who weren't. Memes have always had the same effect as jokes (in that if you don't get the punch line, you're automatically excluded) except they also didn't have structural or vocabulary rules, so there was not even a way to make peace with them and understand that something was a meme from context like the way you can with jokes. They stress me out, and for the longest time I though there was zero legitimate reason to engage in memetic speech.

(And this is where the linguists who follow me are like "that's not how it works", and I feel your pain -- I'd use a better word for this whole fucking nonsense but "meme" is the one internet chose so now we all get to be mad about how that's so imprecise as to be useless.)

Internet memes are the ultimate example of the tendency of people to substitute common ground for real communication, and refusing to clarify whether they're speaking metaphorically or not. It's a nuance I'm not capable of picking up on my own in any instance, and it's also a nuance that is lost between groups -- a problem I solve by being as straightforward and as exact as I possibly can, which has historically opened me up to a lot of mockery. People say laughing brings us together, but what with how specific humour is to a group, jokes aren't integrative unless you're willing to explain them.

And, like, ngl, it made me feel like a freak even by ND standards, because almost every other ND I know loves the shit out of memery.

I don't get it. On an emotional level, I just don't get it.

However on a practical level, I've come to accept that a) for some people, the ability to signal themselves as a part of a group is important and b) memes are a super easy socially acceptable way to scratch the echolalia itch. Combine that with absurdism coming easily to ND folks whose brains are already wired for pattern-recognition, and it makes sense to me that so many ND love memes.

But I still really fucking hate them. I hate the way anything can be a meme, and that anything can become a meme.I hate the way language gets sloganeered, which makes discussing things harder, especially when it happens to generic concepts. I get so frustrated with peopple who rely on repeating memes and their emotional cache, without seemingly understanding that their reliance on this uncommon "common code" immediately makes them incomprehensible and offputting for people who do not speak in that code. It insulates them from people who don't already think like them, watch all the same media, hang out in the same ever-constricting social circles.

I feel like a lot of wank persists entirely because people keep repeating the language they picked up when they first saw it, creating a memetic association to the topic, and not once think that by changing the language, they change the discussion. Like, my latest rage about people entirely unthinkingly repeating anti rhetoric is a really nice nutshell about why this is a problem. Not to mention, for me someone speaking in meme-laden language is someone who's just sending out powerful signals of "I'm desperate to belong and will do anything to fit in" -- and at this point, I find that a pretty fucking unsafe feature in a person.

And even if a part of me accepts that using memes well is just like using allegory well -- it can condense complicated ideas, bypass literal understanding to speak directly to the unique experience someone may have -- I refuse to believe that "meme culture" (blech) is truly anything but another elaborate surface level of easy us-vs-them distinction, and I resent being forced to engage in it.

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There's a specific kind of annoyance I get when people call bad animation (or just animation they don't like) "cheap-looking" because I can guarantee, whatever they think that animation cost, it costs way more.

Even a few seconds of "quick" animation (i.e. anything done in Flash, HTML5, DUIK) can easily cost a few hundred bucks b/c of all the associated costs. Freelance animators undercharge like hell for their work, as do freelance editors of both video and sound.

IDK like. I guess the jokes don't matter as such, but. That's my job. Nothing any artists does actually costs "a five bucks" and the general inability for people to grasp how much art costs is what I'd call "an actual problem."
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The lack of risk-taking and long-term brand value is back in the news b/c TROS was apparently a bit shit (I haven't seen it, and one of my friends whose taste I respect liked it a lot) and I wonder if the capitalists of Hollywood realise that a flaccid, mediocre sequel is worse for your brand on the long term than even a bad or kind of forgettable first installment.

B/c like the thing about good sequels is that they retroactively raise the prestige of the whole series. A good sequel uses just enough of the previous movie to build interest in it, which will make the previous movies more profitable in the long term. A boring retread of even a fantastic film will cut off and cauterise any attempt at branching the story out, and kill long-term interest.

Like I doubt that it's actually economically any "safer" to greenlight batches of new ideas and then drive the successful ones to the ground with the sequel factory approach. It's more stable, maybe, but the companies producing art with minimal risk are never gonna see the kind of money and prestige companies with healthier approaches to risk-management do.

(Never mind that there will always be rich people who just wanna have their name on someone else's work. It's not gonna solve capitalism, but we really should bring back the stereotype that rich folks are patrons of the arts so they start competing with each other over who makes the most pretty things happen with their wallets.)

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I wonder if it would be worth the effort to hit up the Shinigami Eyes devs, and build off their tool something explicitly meant for marking out SWERFs, sex negativity and purity culture advocates.

I wouldn't be able to maintain it, looking at coded language and trying to determine whether it's ignorant or malicious sounds like the kind of thing that would be hell for my OCD but at the same time I feel like it would help a lot to really start creating a separation and reducing the signal-to-noise ratio in fandom so we wouldn't constantly need to be having the same arguments over and over.

It would allow for people to also better define their boundaries, tbh, nobody looks at DNIs but I still think having a DNI is something that should be respected.

Shinigami Eyes has an open licence for copying, modification and reproduction.

Hmm.
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I may be a hypocrite for only really starting to feel fatphobia in fandom after I realised a big reason one of my favourite TF characters has no sexy fic or art is because he's a big bot, and I also may be paranoid for feeling like Deadman ain't gonna have shit for art or fic because of that.

... that's it. That's the post.

(When did I start getting as hostile here as I used to be on Tumblr? Must be something bothering me, I'm not this mean usually.)
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Spoilers for Death Stranding

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It might be nothing, but being aspec myself, that was quite "doubt.jpg"

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It also bothers me a little bit that "have good memes" is seen as the strategy to promote left-leaning attitudes when meme culture itself is reliant on aggression -- being "short, quippy and wrong" in the words of Innuendo Studios -- without really recognising that a) aggression itself is offputting for a lot of people, and also b) a lot of it becomes super fucking intimidating if you're not a 100% socially competent, neurotypical and able-bodied.

Like, just the other day it occurred to me that unless someone knows what the alternatives are, leftists saying they want to get rid of bosses must sound terrifying. Not everyone is or can be self-directed, and the idea that all helpful structures that allow us to mitigate the organisation load on our lives would just go away would drive me to an anxious breakdown, too, and I am actually someone capable of entrepreneurship. It's also been pointed out by other people that for marginalised people, the idea of "community policing" is absolutely terrifying, because our communities are so hostile to us, and not all of us are capable of reforming community ties after the social and emotional isolation being marked as other has inflicted on us.

Everyone recognises status quo as a powerful force, and that complacency is both the thing that stops certain things from getting better, but also stops them from getting worse... and yet there doesn't really seem to be outreach that isn't loaded with Power Words and Calls To Action and filled to the brim with the kind of energy that most neurodivergent people (and plenty of otherwise marginalised people) just can't fucking summon because they're just too exhausted trying to stay alive. Having no place in the conversation unless you're willing to start shouting is exhausting.

It's insidious, the way the conversation is had in a way that presumes everyone is motivated and capable, while also deigning to acknowledge that "hope" is the first thing ripped out of the hands of the marginalised. No, I don't really blame anyone for growing complacent and emotionally checked out and making it worse if life is already shit for them, and not recognising that creates a feedback loop of callousness that makes conversation impossible.

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Saturday, 9 November 2019 11:40
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I tried posting this to Tumblr where it's more relevant (and it's even more relevant to Twitter than Tumblr) but since embeds are broken, but



I think a lot of the conversations about the outrage market are too abstract and rely on the listener already being 110% on their labour theory (this is a problem I have with a lot of... "breadtube") but I think this video gets at why it's so easy to fall into it while being completely intellectually checked out about the situation.
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Ever think about how the purity police always want artists to "do better and make amends" after they're called out (and sometimes even apologised) for making art that they have a violent reaction to, but never specify what that means?

Like... what could that mean? Do they expect the artist to produce art displaying the horrors and tragedies of the things they've been accused of "romanticising"? Do they need to take a sensitivity course? Do they need to submit an essay to be reviewed by their peers?

What does making amends mean in this context? If deleting the art and apologising isn't enough, what is?
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Reposting some comment I made in the notest of this post about how construing all shipping is amatonormative is not very good because I feel like I'm onto something.

To wit: As things are, the word “shipping” is commonly used to mean (at least) three different things:

  1. Constructing a narrative (often but not always an aspirational one) and vicariously experiencing through it what a relationship like that can be like
  2. Wanting to see the characters that appeal to you have sex/receive affection/experience emotional catharsis for your gratification
  3. The study and analysis of the text of a relationship, just like you’d explore the text of someone’s characterisation or the text of the plot of a story

And to be clear, when people say they “ship” something, it can be any combination of the above. (Arguably the concept of an OTP exists as shorthand for a ship where the speaker experiences it as sitting right in the middle of that triangle.)

This is what leads to the problem of critical analysis becoming impossible in a framework like this. Essentially, both cases 1 and 2 involve some kind of a value judgement – whether something works within the narrative or whether something appeals to the creator – and as such conforming to preference and principle is kind of the entire point, but analysis done in a way that is meant to conform to a preference or a principle… is poorly argued at best, and openly dishonest at worst.

If you point out erotic tension in the text between two characters, that is not actually the same as imagining or enjoying the idea of those characters having sex. If you point out emotional tension from things like miscommunication and how that colours a relationship, that is just pointing out an element of the text, and doesn’t mean the fic you wanna write will deal with that issue. But over and over, simply trying to critically examine the text is labeled as “shipping”, which… well, it does kind of make sense, because we live in a culture that considers “critique” something objective and removed and aimed to “improve” the “product” instead of a form of creative self-expression, but a lot of times it ascribes motivations to the person doing the analysis that they might not have.

As for amatonormativity... I can sort of see where people are coming with it, really? The narrative structures we’ve grown up with insist on amatonormative “love”, no analysis of text is free of cultural baggage, and frankly for a lot of alloromantic people, romance is gratifying. That being said, the criticism that shipping itself is amatonormative because it’s predicated on “needing” to put characters in monogamous pairs only applies to the first of my personal three cases, and even only then if it’s treated as an aspirational fantasy.

At every instance, the shipping can be driven by amatonormative assumptions, but to argue that therefore it inarguably is is some mind-reading bullshit my aro that obsessively analyses the interactions between everything isn’t willing to co-sign.

yvannairie: a bleary-eyed emoticon scratching its head (hm)
Something I was talking about with [personal profile] hellofriendsiminthedark made me think about I really don't have the language to describe some of the processes I see online, where someone is exposed to traumatising and distressing material on the internet and starts acting out in an effort to make themselves feel safe again, often exacerbated by an unsupportive environment, and then gets dragged into the orbit of someone charismatic and awful.

Like, how do you talk about someone like that? They're not necessarily radicalised, because their need for control often ends up wholly internalised, and you can't call them abuse victims because the "abusive relationship" was parasocial and often wholly one-sided in practice.

How do we talk about someone who's a survivor of an internet cult where the algorithm and an unwitting filter bubble was the key component of the social isolation? How do you talk about emotional abuse when the abusive element is decentralised into a mob?
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“If you're not even DDGL, why does it bother to see them singled out? Why do you take people going after a specific controversial kink so personally if it holds no appeal for you?"

1) I am a sadist. Like, an actual physical sadist that likes beating people for sexual gratification. Let’s not pretend physical violence isn’t hinky just because it’s so normalised that society no longer recognises it as traumatic.

2) I have absolutely nothing in common with someone who has the priviledge to blithedly assume they can’t possibly be a predator when I’ve had to deal with the knowledge of my potential to hurt people since I was roughly ten years old. I have at least the self-knowledge of “wow that’s a fucked up thing to be into” in common with every even moderately self-aware kinkster.

3) If at all possible, I'd like to keep becoming more emotionally self-aware, not less. This means that even if something fucking sets me off, I need to be able to look at whether it's actually A Really Harmful Thing, or whether my emotions are reacting out of my control. I've seen kinksters harrass and violate the boundaries of stim blogs in the past, I am aware of why DNIs exist, but just like with RPF, I've also realised that the problem is the harrasment instead of the pretext. Kinksters who have done fucking nothing don't deserve to be treated like their existence is harmful.

4) Rhetoric is king, rhetoric is king, rhetoric is king. The way things are talked about determines their nature. Rhetorically equating kink with bigotry only serves to shield bigoted kinksters, and cut non-bigoted kinksters off potential allies.

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