Not to get too serious about it, but I do kind of wonder how much of this is the result of people spending two years passionately defending TLJ, and building TROS up into something it was never going to be
Well! That puts it into words, doesn't it? Although yeah, I'm equally hesitant to start blaming fandom environment for the reaction because so much of the reaction revolves around not the text of the movie, but rather the makers of it and how it holds up to the previous one. It all feels very "THIS one writer and THIS director RUINED EVERYTHING" and... like, y'all. We did this with the last movie, too, I don't think I can take the Fandom Mood going forward being "arguing with the creators over the thing they made" instead of doing the thing where we snatch the source material out of the hands of the makers and go "thank youu y'all done enough, we can take it from here!!"
I just... don't see why it matters for the movie if the people making it weren't terribly into it and just turned in a Whatever performance. I don't see why it matters if romances were shoved in or cropped out -- even while I acknowledge that that was obviously done -- just like I didn't understand how any of that mattered when it was TLJ being argued over. Not to mention, there's a lot of blame statements going around that I can only goggle at before going "BASED ON WHAT???" even while I recognise that it doesn't even matter if the statement is true. It is incredibly frustrating, the theorycrafting around the artistic process for big blockbuster movies tires me out and sucks the enjoyment out of them. Why a creative decision was made is an interesting question maybe ten years from now, not when the series has just landed.
IDK, it's just... I guess this was kind of. Inevitable, based on how fandom has been getting more and more interested and integrated into the creative process, so people feel more attached and more ownership over their ideas, which leads to Absolute Bizarrobonkers Wank when that thing doesn't do what they "wanted" from it. And even while saying that I cringe at how dismissive it sounds because being emotionally invested in fiction is good, I just think that if your investment and disappointment are so great you feel the need to cuss out the creators for "betraying" that potential, you need to maybe chill.
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Date: 29/12/19 09:00 (UTC)Well! That puts it into words, doesn't it? Although yeah, I'm equally hesitant to start blaming fandom environment for the reaction because so much of the reaction revolves around not the text of the movie, but rather the makers of it and how it holds up to the previous one. It all feels very "THIS one writer and THIS director RUINED EVERYTHING" and... like, y'all. We did this with the last movie, too, I don't think I can take the Fandom Mood going forward being "arguing with the creators over the thing they made" instead of doing the thing where we snatch the source material out of the hands of the makers and go "thank youu y'all done enough, we can take it from here!!"
I just... don't see why it matters for the movie if the people making it weren't terribly into it and just turned in a Whatever performance. I don't see why it matters if romances were shoved in or cropped out -- even while I acknowledge that that was obviously done -- just like I didn't understand how any of that mattered when it was TLJ being argued over. Not to mention, there's a lot of blame statements going around that I can only goggle at before going "BASED ON WHAT???" even while I recognise that it doesn't even matter if the statement is true. It is incredibly frustrating, the theorycrafting around the artistic process for big blockbuster movies tires me out and sucks the enjoyment out of them. Why a creative decision was made is an interesting question maybe ten years from now, not when the series has just landed.
IDK, it's just... I guess this was kind of. Inevitable, based on how fandom has been getting more and more interested and integrated into the creative process, so people feel more attached and more ownership over their ideas, which leads to Absolute Bizarrobonkers Wank when that thing doesn't do what they "wanted" from it. And even while saying that I cringe at how dismissive it sounds because being emotionally invested in fiction is good, I just think that if your investment and disappointment are so great you feel the need to cuss out the creators for "betraying" that potential, you need to maybe chill.